The second incident a 7 year old girl died and her sister is in critical condition. The seven year old was beaten because she mis-pronounced a word during home schooling class.
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_14388171

I try to stay level headed with things like this. However, our system is broken. Both of these homes had been visited by CPS. The first case Andrea Bass had a record from California for domestic assault and child abuse. I can speak with some experience here, because I also was one kid who “fell through the cracks.” IMO, Police/CPS workers go into homes of Christians and do not see drug paraphalia, they check the fridge and there is plenty of food. The kids are quiet and well behaved. Certainly such a well ordered home and such “nice” people would not abuse their child. Police/CPS do not for a moment think, these children are so quiet and well behaved because if they make any noise the hell will be rained down on them.
I will not go into my whole story, but, I lived in a fundamentalist foster home. It was clean, orderly and we all smelled great, looked sharp. My “bedroom” was in the basement next to the wood stove. They did not even give me a screen or any partition to shield myself. I had a single bed, lamp, and bedside table. When my social worker came, she was shown one of their daughters rooms and passed it off as mine. She would gush about how wonderful foster parents they were….leave. I was treated much like furniture, except when their paycheck came, then THEY would go out to eat, go shopping for themselves and their bio kids.
I hope the below video makes you all think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z_xhyK2FM&feature=fvw

I just googled trying to find the infamous forum fingered above, and came across some abstracts of your work in the KB journal. I had no idea you were a Kenneth Burke junkie! I’ve done a bit of work using his writings in tropology (Rhetoric of Motives) – applying it to music historiography. Good stuff. Good to see another Burke-head out there. Are you still writing using Burke’s theories/categories or was this just for your dissertation? (I’m assuming the work published out of Baylor was distilled at least in part from your dissertation)

Ben

No apology for slandering people…..oh they call it chastising do they?

No apology for errors of judgement against an individual that was ganged up on by those stout hearted men whom must get to the bottom of another individuals heart…..but never their own.

No apology for being sinners (saved by grace?)that also made (in the flesh) decisions to go after someone whom they thought offended the great honor of their precious school.

Those scribes needed to get a taste of their own medicene and me thinks it was dished out fully by the media circus about 2000 during the Bush visit.

Did the Jones, BJU and yes even students come under attack by those in the media?…yes. Were some things said that were not true?…yes. Did the media jump on the bandwagon and ridicule without getting all the facts?…..yes.

Did BJU and Bob III get in measure what they had poured out on others?……Absolutly!!

It was a hosing down of Dr.Bob outside in the cold with well water and the whole world watching in as he cried and pleaded for understanding on late night TV shows with Larry King.

Ohhhhhhhh, the students cried Dr. Bob. Ohhhhhh my, the school and all the great things it has done.

Ridiculed and hauled before a judgmental tribune of networks whom saw the evil in the matter and would not be presuaded otherwise.

Sound familiar to some of you BJU students, X students, staff and faculity???

Tell me now? When does God sleep?

Whom does not God control??

Whom gets away with sinning w/o the spirit knowing when it’s been quenched.

Who is above being taking outside and hosed down by God?

Beware lest ye fall into this hubris spirit that tends to breed other hubris spirits in a compound in Greenville, SC.
Beware of other hubris satelite churches like those in and about the city run by men whom owe allegiances to mother hubris.

Watch and Wait,
the Squire

BJU a ministry, a church, a business, a cult or a nice place with flowers and some old paintings.

Depending on your experience with Old jones U, you can come away with a variety of feelings for the place.

I knew a ton of students, saw many get shipped, heard from them the how’s and whys they were shipped. Heard some hard to believe things about the way some things were handled.

I can only say this….If your time at BJU had not pitfalls and you had a grand time there…Good for you!

If your a normal human being who cares for the well being of those around you……don’t work at BJU.

Your ministry will not be appreciated.

No Lone Rangers need apply.

There’s only one Sheriff in that one horse school and if he decides to shoot a deputy the other deputies are to turn to one another and say, “By gum, he musta deserved it!”

The word hubris comes to mind as I recall some “special” situations that transpared inside the gated community. The Doctors are in need of medicine me thot.

We of a certain inner circle knew for whom we could trust and for whom to watch out for. We used code names and even trapped a few of the hubris type into chasing down a grey pawn only later to get knighted.

We learned the game while there and played it well against those whom thot they were the chosen ones.

For those of you whom were hurt during you time at the flowered cathedral…..know this, though some turned their backs and you and others, yeah friends chided you………….all did not pass without some eyes seeing, ears hearing nor letters unwritten.

Some outside the gates have been forwarned not to enter and many have thus heeded that call.

The Squire, retires for now.

Dan — sure. Times have changed. Other things vary too — personalities of the family members, past history for the parents, general circumstances. Lots of things are different not just from 100 years ago to today but from door-to-door.

And Monica — I’ve wondered the same thing. I mean, I don’t really know what those letters actually said, I just know how they were used and characterized. I don’t really care to actually discover the content, I think. I honestly consider it all a blessing in the long run anyway, but . . . if I had the guts, it would be an interesting study.

Dave — that’s fair enough. I can imagine a colossal misunderstanding! I do think there was some kind of a “feeding frenzy” (a term we’ve been saying a lot around here since the goldfish moved in) or jumping-on-the-bandwagon that added to the confusion. That’s what I was TRYING to do — to keep things on task and focus on the very small argument that *was* the title of the thread: “Is spanking Scripturally required?” I’m sure other things, other posters, etc. added to the mess.

What’s so interesting to me, however, is the great fear and trepidation I felt within fundamentalism about voicing this conclusion is positively absent outside of fundamentalism. GONE! It was treated as such a scandal — like denying inerrency — and required such a pained struggle for them to tolerate. Now? My fellow Christians say, “The Bible isn’t very specific about parenting styles. That’s between your family and God.” I drop my PDA Bible in astonishment. To so easily express what I was trying so hard to explain for so long? I feel like I’m home!

Until less than a month ago, I understood her position to be that all spanking was wrong–I understood this both from what others had told me, and from at least two occasions where I asked her how she could argue that all spanking was wrong for all kids at alll times, and I never received an answer. Recently, she clarified her views and told me that’s not what she thinks.

I never saw the threads in question, but I wonder if some of the readers also misunderstood her views. A close friend of mine (who is not a lawyer, but who is a fellow INTJ and debater) did see the posts, and he said that he understood Camille as saying that all spanking was always wrong. When we talked both he and I said that a “all spanking is always wrong” position is well, let’s just say we vehemently disagreed and could not see how anyone could get that meaning from the text. And we both know and like Camille, so if we misunderstood her, perhaps the other bloggers did as well.

This, of course, is not a defense of anonymous letters. It is simply a possibile explanation for a hostile tone. And as to the merits of spanking, I repeat my longstanding position that my sole interest in any matter of parenting is defending whatever my mom did. She spanked me (and my siblings) on rare occasions of direct defiance; therefore, that’s when spanking is appropriate.

I appreciate that it didn’t feel like a blood bath to those on the outside of the attack (you were one of the civil, gentlemanly ones who tried to distract the initial “outing.” I remember it vividly!!). But again — I’m talking about how I felt in the middle of it. And I’m not the only one — my husband felt the attacks too. The digs were subtle — about how I hadn’t studied Scripture, about how I only had very young ones, etc. And on and on.

So “bloodbath” is how it felt to me and to others who apologized and watched on.

And again, bringing it all into my real-life-employment is way over the top.