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	<title>Comments on: Things I Never Heard in Fundamentalism &#8212; Sanctification (5)</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-93458</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 03:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think humility is kinda like the fruit of the Spirit - they&#039;re not something you work toward, they&#039;re something you get. And you get it by drawing yourself closer to Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think humility is kinda like the fruit of the Spirit &#8211; they&#8217;re not something you work toward, they&#8217;re something you get. And you get it by drawing yourself closer to Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bard</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92689</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cityviewchicago.org/?q=node/175

Here&#039;s the sermon I&#039;d mentioned earlier.</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s the sermon I&#8217;d mentioned earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92506</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically it&#039;s me contrasting myself with God. Period. 

Right? 

Hard to be anything but humble in that scenario, if I have a right view of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically it&#8217;s me contrasting myself with God. Period. </p>
<p>Right? </p>
<p>Hard to be anything but humble in that scenario, if I have a right view of God.</p>
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		<title>By: cklewis</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92504</link>
		<dc:creator>cklewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Beth. . . .

That&#039;s actually the verse we&#039;re all exactly talking about. And working at humility is an oxymoron. Humility is the realization that your work and your efforts don&#039;t work in God&#039;s eyes. It&#039;s realizing you&#039;re not-God. To work at being humble would be like to boil water into ice. 

The Pharisee prays in the street so everyone can hear him. The publican prays in the closet so no one hears him but God. The first guy isn&#039;t praying at all. He&#039;s performing. The second guy is humble. And he&#039;s not working at it either. . . . He just realizes it. The actions are just a natural result of the realization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Beth. . . .</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually the verse we&#8217;re all exactly talking about. And working at humility is an oxymoron. Humility is the realization that your work and your efforts don&#8217;t work in God&#8217;s eyes. It&#8217;s realizing you&#8217;re not-God. To work at being humble would be like to boil water into ice. </p>
<p>The Pharisee prays in the street so everyone can hear him. The publican prays in the closet so no one hears him but God. The first guy isn&#8217;t praying at all. He&#8217;s performing. The second guy is humble. And he&#8217;s not working at it either. . . . He just realizes it. The actions are just a natural result of the realization.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92502</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to contrast your statement &quot;You can&#039;t work on your humility&quot; with the James 4 verse:

10 ﻿Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

Not opposing you, just working it out.
:-) 

What do you make of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to contrast your statement &#8220;You can&#8217;t work on your humility&#8221; with the <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=65&amp;passage=James+4" class="bibleref" title="MSG James 4">James 4</a> verse:</p>
<p>10 ﻿Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.</p>
<p>Not opposing you, just working it out.<br />
 <img src='http://www.drslewis.org/camille/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>What do you make of it?</p>
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		<title>By: cklewis</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92260</link>
		<dc:creator>cklewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 07:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In reference to the bolded quote at the end of the “How to Get God’s Grace” sermon, when James said God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, what does he (James not Berg) mean?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, we know it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; a conditional statement: &quot;If you&#039;re humble enough, you get God&#039;s grace.&quot; Because such a condition defies the very nature of grace (and the condition is not in the Text). That&#039;s like saying, &quot;If you clean the whole house, I&#039;ll give you a gift.&quot; Then that&#039;s not a gift. That&#039;s a reward or a salary or a carrot-on-a-stick.

&quot;Humble&quot; is another way of saying that you recognize that you&#039;re totally unable to save yourself. You can&#039;t strive to prove you&#039;re humble. You can&#039;t work on your humility. 

James is quoting Proverbs 3:34. To say that this one proverb says the opposite of all of the Pauline epistles (especially Romans and Galatians) is to really miss the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In reference to the bolded quote at the end of the “How to Get God’s Grace” sermon, when James said God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, what does he (James not Berg) mean?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, we know it&#8217;s <b>not</b> a conditional statement: &#8220;If you&#8217;re humble enough, you get God&#8217;s grace.&#8221; Because such a condition defies the very nature of grace (and the condition is not in the Text). That&#8217;s like saying, &#8220;If you clean the whole house, I&#8217;ll give you a gift.&#8221; Then that&#8217;s not a gift. That&#8217;s a reward or a salary or a carrot-on-a-stick.</p>
<p>&#8220;Humble&#8221; is another way of saying that you recognize that you&#8217;re totally unable to save yourself. You can&#8217;t strive to prove you&#8217;re humble. You can&#8217;t work on your humility. </p>
<p>James is quoting <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=65&amp;passage=Proverbs+3%3A34" class="bibleref" title="MSG Proverbs 3:34">Proverbs 3:34</a>. To say that this one proverb says the opposite of all of the Pauline epistles (especially Romans and Galatians) is to really miss the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92015</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communion can be done differently in different churches. Sometimes it&#039;s up to the pastor, sometimes the worship committee or even the session (Presbyterian) or Ad Council (Methodist) makes the decision. But, it is different. It&#039;s basking in the spiritual presence of Christ - a Sacrament. There&#039;s also a line of thought that communion is a foretaste of the heavenly banquet prepared for us since the world began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communion can be done differently in different churches. Sometimes it&#8217;s up to the pastor, sometimes the worship committee or even the session (Presbyterian) or Ad Council (Methodist) makes the decision. But, it is different. It&#8217;s basking in the spiritual presence of Christ &#8211; a Sacrament. There&#8217;s also a line of thought that communion is a foretaste of the heavenly banquet prepared for us since the world began.</p>
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		<title>By: rylee95</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92001</link>
		<dc:creator>rylee95</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reformed Communion is being lifted up into the *real presence* of Christ who sits at the right hand of the father.  We are all lifted up corporately and participate together in what is a foretaste of the heavenly banquet, the wedding feast we all eagerly anticipate.  

Presbyterians used to come forward 12 at a time to sit at a table and partake of the elements together.  Most of my in-an-actual-congregation experiences of Presby Communion involve the elements brought to us.  In other-than-church contexts, sometimes people experiment with coming forward.  It&#039;s the former that always feels more communal to me.  But I grew up as an &quot;evil&quot;, individualistic Catholic, coming forward for my own, personal token.  

I do like when there&#039;s one big loaf to rip from, though.  On Easter my husband broke the one loaf into 4 hunks that were then passed down the pews in a self-serve/rip kind of way.  *That* was communal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reformed Communion is being lifted up into the *real presence* of Christ who sits at the right hand of the father.  We are all lifted up corporately and participate together in what is a foretaste of the heavenly banquet, the wedding feast we all eagerly anticipate.  </p>
<p>Presbyterians used to come forward 12 at a time to sit at a table and partake of the elements together.  Most of my in-an-actual-congregation experiences of Presby Communion involve the elements brought to us.  In other-than-church contexts, sometimes people experiment with coming forward.  It&#8217;s the former that always feels more communal to me.  But I grew up as an &#8220;evil&#8221;, individualistic Catholic, coming forward for my own, personal token.  </p>
<p>I do like when there&#8217;s one big loaf to rip from, though.  On Easter my husband broke the one loaf into 4 hunks that were then passed down the pews in a self-serve/rip kind of way.  *That* was communal!</p>
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		<title>By: Watchman</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-92000</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for a Lutheran in college who described the Baptist practice of communion as &quot;toasting &#039;Here&#039;s to you, God&#039; with little shot glasses.&quot;

In reference to the bolded quote at the end of the &quot;How to Get God&#039;s Grace&quot; sermon, when James said God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, what does he (James not Berg) mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a Lutheran in college who described the Baptist practice of communion as &#8220;toasting &#8216;Here&#8217;s to you, God&#8217; with little shot glasses.&#8221;</p>
<p>In reference to the bolded quote at the end of the &#8220;How to Get God&#8217;s Grace&#8221; sermon, when James said God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, what does he (James not Berg) mean?</p>
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		<title>By: The Bard</title>
		<link>http://www.drslewis.org/camille/2009/05/things-i-never-heard-in-fundamentalism-sanctification/comment-page-1/#comment-91975</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do all all come forward for Communion (like those &quot;evil&quot; Catholics)? All Reformed churches I&#039;ve attended do. It does change the dynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do all all come forward for Communion (like those &#8220;evil&#8221; Catholics)? All Reformed churches I&#8217;ve attended do. It does change the dynamics.</p>
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