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The More Things Change.

“The Rhetoric of Jones’ ‘Battle'”

9 thoughts on “The More Things Change.

  1. In my mind Billy Graham has by his action in 1953 become a towering giant of the faith. I never knew this as it was before I was born and I am a Canadian. Now if we can have the lines go down between the Clergy and Laity and also between genders we could move towards truly being the “body” of Christ; equal in every way.

    1. Bill P check out Vineyard if you want to see downed lines between “clergy” and laity. refreshing to say the least

  2. Camille, I’ve just started reading this amazing document. Such informative insights into American Christian history, few christians even know about! And this truth can set us free! To do good. Sharing this important information is like you picking up the torch of freedom and justice, and carrying on in the race of which King, Graham and Eisenhower, were such an important part of,but can no longer run in themselves! Explaining this history to us, as to where we have all come from, when, how and why, gives us the right information, to learn what we can do, and how to respond, in order to be a part of the solution, and not remain a part of the problem. An amazing read. Can’t wait to read the rest of it. Barbara

  3. I just finished reading the document. Pretty amazing. I agree with Bill P. Billy Graham has contributed to Christian unity in the stand and postiton he took that will go down in history as one of the most important contributions to true Christian witness and example, of what a man of the Gospel is to be, and a true christian leader who represents ‘The REAL Jesus!!! The Saviour ‘and’ Jesus’real’ message. That we are all Jesus brethren, and therefore ALL BROTHERS. The fact that the great white Bobs, have believed that Graham did damage to Christianity, just goes to show how pathetic the 3 Bobs’pathetic set of priorities regarding the Gospel and evangelism have really been! That segregation was ‘more important’ to him,and all three of them ,than the winning of the many thousands upon thousands of precious souls to the Savior.Keep telling the story Camille.It’s a story we all need to hear, Barbara

  4. Hello to Kbonikowsky,
    I’m reading the document again. This time, I looked up things I was so uninformed of, that I didn’t even know The Battle of Sumter was the ‘first’ battle’ of the civil war! I thought it was the last one! I was such a incompoop, ignoramus. My grade 12 High school teacher was so incredible, that at the end of each class, when the bell rang, none of wanted to leave! So I never forget how she explained, that the ordinary folk didn’t believe there was even going to be a war. They were is so much denial! Apparently, local folk, made up picnic baskets, sat on the green grass on some distant hills, believing there was something entertaining to see. How sad that they eventualy had to find out otherwise. And how easy for people to not believe all the red flags of warning, that there is ‘real trouble in river city!’ Our high school teacher taught so well. I have thought about the great sadness of generations of resentment and bitterness, re the civl war, that has affected so many generations of Southerners against Northerners. And southerners are ‘still angry! So sad, that something that happened so long ago,tragic as it was, would still remain such a deep unhealed wound to this day. I appreciate Cammile using this war as a figurative backdrop, to compare the equally tragic war of believer against believer, a war which must break our Lord’s heart. And one which sends such a sad distorted message of what the Gospel, and christian love has always been meant to be. I pray that God would give us all the Grace to undo some of that damage. Keep reading. It’s an exciting read. I feel my mind being expanded to understand things I never thought I needed to understand. It’s really helping me become much stronger in healthy, ‘critical thinking.’ Barbara

  5. “Similar to Hitler’s ubiquitous enemy trope, this assumption of diversity confuses and distracts the critic and further encodes the segregationist metanarrative. Thus, instead of critically parsing out each text for its actual author—whether Bob Jones, Sr., Bob Jones, Jr., or Bob Jones III—I will read each as speaking as one and moving as one. Thus, I refer to the authors as the singular “BJU.”

    Assuming that all Joneses speak as one voice is, in my estimation, the fundamental flaw of your paper. It works for a great rhetorical analysis, sure, but we’re talking about real people here, each of whom made mistakes and each of whom has an individual voice. And occuring to BJU’s 2008 “Statement on Race,” they’ve admitted that past voices were wrong. Dehumanizing the Joneses with a rhetocial approach doesn’t clarify the encoding as you assume; it actually leads to a misreading. Of course, I’m supposed to just read the 2008 apology as more of the same and resulting from the old trajectory. I get it, but where’s the room for change in your analysis? Where’s the hope for a new trajectory? Does the only hope lie in tearing down BJU brick by brick? Can an apology not suffice? Or are we to view every apology as more encoding to mask the underlying racism? True, biblical repentance–if that’s what BJU has done–confesses the sin, turns from it, and turns toward God. In such a turn, God cannot remain scenic but is essential in every step, guiding and correcting us as we so desparately.

    1. Rhetorical criticism does not presume damnation. This isn’t personal. That’s a fundamental “flaw” when fundamentalists attempt to engage in an academic conversation — just like the BJU administration’s criticism of my publishing my dissertation. This is same-old, same-old.

      And, if I take your argument seriously, then the Old Testament prophets were wrong too. As Christians, we know that redemption starts with confession. This is confession, MP. It’s something that we should be familiar with.

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